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Reading Josephus's chronicle, "The War of the Jews," the author found detail after detail that closely paralleled events recounted in the Gospels. Atwill skillfully demonstrates that the emperors used the Gospels to spark a new religious movement that would aid them in maintaining power and order. What's more, by including hidden literary clues, they took the story of the Emperor Titus's glorious military victory, as recounted by Josephus, and embedded that story in the Gospels - a sly and satirical way of glorifying the emperors through the ages.
Was Jesus the invention of a Roman emperor? The author of this ground-breaking book believes he was.
The clues leading to its startling conclusions are found in the writings of the first-century historian Flavius Josephus,whose "Wars of the Jews" is one of the only historical chronicles of this period. Closely comparing the work of Josephus with the New Testament Gospels, "Caesar's Messiah" demonstrates that the Romans directed the writing of both.
BTW, Atwill "borrowed" a few things from work done by Reuchlin and myself. I'll do that in my own good time. For now, you may find out more about the creation of Christianity by Romans in a few articles that I had written on the subject. Regarding Joseph Atwill's Titus http: The New Classical Scholarship: Ancient Alias Names List http: The Roman Piso Papers http: Pe scurt, scriitorul exploreaza o ipoteza care sustine ca personajul Iisus si religia crestina au fost create de familia imperiala Flavia prin imparatii Vespasian, Titus si Domitian, care incercau sa inabuse revoltele fara sfarsit ale evreilor.
Alegerea lor a fost sa "editeze" un pic religia mozaica, oferind un leader mesia pasnic in loc de unul razboinic, scopul luptei lor devenind din independenta evreilor si a statului iudaic - o "salvare" pe lumea cealalta.
Daca evreii credeau cu sfintenie Pe scurt, scriitorul exploreaza o ipoteza care sustine ca personajul Iisus si religia crestina au fost create de familia imperiala Flavia prin imparatii Vespasian, Titus si Domitian, care incercau sa inabuse revoltele fara sfarsit ale evreilor. Daca evreii credeau cu sfintenie in unitatea si indivizibilitatea natiei si a religiei lor pentru care luptau de sute de ani, noua directie religioasa ii incuraja sa "intoarca si obrazul celalalt", sa "dea Cezarului ce e al Cezarului", etc.
Mai mult, povestea lui Iisus, traseul urmat de el si chiar multe dintre numele din biblie sunt metafore ale istoriei reale a razboaielor duse de Vespasian si Titus in actualul Israel. Astfel, daca Noul Testament este citit in paralel cu Razboaiele Evreilor de Iosif Flavius Josephus Flavius, un istoric evreu infiat de familia Flavia , prima carte devine brusc o satira a celei de-a doua Recomand calduros cartea, filmul e foarte superficial in comparatie.
Mar 31, Sabina rated it did not like it. In "Caesar's Messiah" Joseph Atwill presents a grand hypothesis which is a conglomerate of nonsensical hypotheses. What Atwill fails to do is to present credible evidence other than far-fetched parallels between In "Caesar's Messiah" Joseph Atwill presents a grand hypothesis which is a conglomerate of nonsensical hypotheses.
What Atwill fails to do is to present credible evidence other than far-fetched parallels between NT and Josephus' work to support his mess of ideas: I give the book one star for its persistence in being incoherent from first to last page. Oct 11, Socraticgadfly rated it did not like it. Of course, that book is false. And Dan Brown's not a bible scholar.
Amazing how the parallels stack up. Parallels between Luke and Josephus? Sure, they're there, and many legitimate scholars have known about them for a long, long, time. In fact, said scholars see this as nothing other than Luke borrowing from Josephus. For said scholars who, like me, date the composition of Luke in the second century, there's nothing surprising. View all 3 comments. Aug 28, Mark rated it liked it. A interesting position on the historical Jesus. Somewhat fanciful at times but certainly unique in its approach.
Does not draw on a wide spectrum of scholarship and limits itself to direct interpretation of primary sources rather than to scholarly deconstructions and reconstructions. Fascinating book that sheds a very different light on the Christianity! I can't accept everything he lays forward, but it's really intriguing. This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here.
Oct 09, Denise rated it it was ok Shelves: Oct 21, William R. Mystery shroud brought into a new light At times a bit dense and possibly repetitive, Atwill none the less, nails down the purpose of the foundation of "Fake News" at its source. To me it was extremely relevant to the political machinations of 21st Century America and the creation of Drumpf's "disciples.
It would be interesting to compare this work with the"history" of democracy years from now. Oh, I guess I should mention that this really is the rolling of the stone back over the "empty" to Mystery shroud brought into a new light At times a bit dense and possibly repetitive, Atwill none the less, nails down the purpose of the foundation of "Fake News" at its source. Oh, I guess I should mention that this really is the rolling of the stone back over the "empty" tomb of Jesus of Bethlehem. The contents of this book are uneven, from groundbreaking to sloppy.
As a result, this book cannot be used as a supplemental text in ANY classroom. It cannot be generally recommended. Minus one star for not having an index. I went to look up blind or healing the blind and there was no index. This book will be a long study without an index. So, for making readers work so hard: The other night, I had to go turning pages looking for "stone" for the Son of Man calls when the Romans were throwing stones at the Jews.
Another night, I couldn't find the first time Atwill mentions the mother eating her son. Just now, I couldn't find St. Augstine and had to go through two chapters looking for that.
To top it off, he does not reference from which work of St. It should be end note with being and so on. He footnotes the Eusebius quote but not the St. When I'm participating in forums, I need these sources. Again, the quality of this book is less than what the content deserves. Minus a second star for not being a better writer and not having an editor. One element that shows the craft of writing is not 5 stars is the amount of annoying repetition. A second element that shows the craft of writing is not 5 stars is the lack of effective execution of a paragraph, essay chapter or sections of chapters , or paper chapters.
The Myth for the World B for Chapter 4: The Demons of Gadara B- for Chapter 5: The Flavian Signature A- for Chapter 6: The Real Christ F for Chapter 7: From Egypt Kam to Camelot]]. I hope to provide a web page with this information and more. Mention of Rabbi Johannan ben Zakkai is needed. Was any of the New Testament written at Yavne? I think the author may want readers to see that Onion was the city of destruction because Lupus demolished the temple there. The best I can make out from the chapter is that Onion was a district of, region of, or part of Alexandria.
Atwill says it comes from the Testament of Joseph.
A New Translation]] only shows fragments. The fragments in [[ASIN: A New Translation]] Unfortunately, the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, in final form, are dated to the 2nd century, so, we cannot say that Jesus picked this up from the Twelve Patriarchs and we cannot say as Atwill says that the Flavians put the words with alteration into the Gospel of Matthew. TBD for Chapter Apostles and Maccabees Joe Atwill needs to face the fact that Simon was from Idumea and as a result the parallel with the biblical Simon and the connection to the Maccabees what's the connection between Simon the Idumean and Judas the Galillean or the Maccabees?
Christianity is the Sicarii movement of Judas the Galilean deliberately blurred and transformed. Dec 13, John rated it did not like it. Best summarized as a crock of shit. Logically speaking, it is a page post hoc fallacy. It is an exegesis from nothing at all, and with little historical basis beyond the characters involved.
Those open minded to conspiracy theories, like myself, will be drawn in for 5 minutes. Those with any historical knowledge of the creation of the New Testament will have debunked this atrocity in 5 minutes 2 seconds. Of course, those that want to cling to the notion that they have a secret that no-one el Best summarized as a crock of shit. Of course, those that want to cling to the notion that they have a secret that no-one else has will naturally read the book cover to cover If you're an atheist desperate for a mythos with no basis in reality that answers the question "How did this whole Christian thing get started?
Of course, if you just want to make up a story yourself, you could save a few dollars -- and you could include some aliens--ghosts--pirates--zombies to pep it up a little! If you have doubts about the accuracy of the Bible, even a Christian like myself would readily sympathize with you. But this kinda stuff Oct 09, Pierre A Renaud marked it as reshelved. Reshelved due to these reviews: Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19 Reshelved due to these reviews: Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.
View all 4 comments. Sep 13, Melen rated it liked it Shelves: I'm not really sure what to think about this. To be honest, he has a couple of interesting points, such as the different version of the resurrection story, but most I think is a stretch. I am sick of the words "lampoon" and "satire" now.
Despite my lack of belief, it was still a fun book to read. I am planning on reading Wars of the Jews, which I would've never considered prior to reading Messiah, so that's a plus I guess. Oct 14, Brian added it Shelves: I never give up on a book. I just don't see myself ever finishing it.
That's not to imply that it's a bad book. I found parts of it very interesting. But it just does not hold my attention right now. Jun 03, Jaye rated it liked it. Atwill, the Christian religion was invented by the Romans in order to defuse the problem of Jewish uprisings in Judea. I don't have any issues with the author's scholarship, but I wonder why no one else who's studied the same works has ever come to the same conclusions.
Impossibile leggerlo senza avere una approfondita conoscenza della materia. Cosi tutto potrebbe essere vero come inventato. Ma, appunto, non ho conoscenze sufficienti per smentirla. Nov 05, The Conch rated it it was amazing. In these passages, Atwill sees a parody of Jesus' sayings in Matt. Atwill claims to have discovered another sprawling satire in the Gospels and Josephus, which he calls the "New Root and Branch. The mythicist Richard Carrier analyzed all of these alleged parallels, and stated that they can be explained as either coincidences, mistranslations, or references to Old Testament sources or tropes.
Atwill argues contrary to many scholars that the Testimonium Flavianum Ant. Immediately following the Testimonium Flavianum is the story of Decius Mundus, who pretends to be the god Anubis , to trick a woman named Paulina into having sex. As the story continues, Paulina's husband Saturninus agrees that it would be no sin for Paulina to have sex with God.
So Paulina and Decius Mundus sleep together, but Mundus returns on the third day to boast that he is no God.
Atwill argues that Mundus' return is a parody of Jesus' resurrection, and that his worshippers Paulina and Saturninus have obviously been swindled. Albert Bell, in his paper "Josephus the Satirist? According to Bell, the author of pseudo-Hegesippus may have elaborated on the joke by making Paulina become possibly pregnant by Anubis, thus making her parody of the Virgin Mary.
Mary's Military Academy, a Jesuit-run school in Japan. After , he returned to Biblical studies.
In , Caesar's Messiah was published by Ulysses Press. The book carried an endorsement from Robert Eisenman, who wrote: If what Joseph Atwill is saying is only partially true, we are looking into the abyss". The work was also endorsed by Rod Blackhirst and Jan Koster. With his discoveries, "Atwill may have carried it a step forward. In , the conference "Covert Messiah" was organized in London to discuss the film and the book's thesis. Atwill's book Shakespeare's Secret Messiah [41] expanded the thesis of Roman authorship of the New Testament, to suggest that the Pauline epistles and Revelation were written during or after the reign of Domitian.
Price said that Atwill "gives himself license to indulge in the most outrageous display of parallelomania ever seen. However, Carrier also agreed that the New Testament has pro-Roman aspects.
However, as Atwill admits, his analysis as well as the Preterist analysis disagrees with mainline Christian interpretations of the biblical prophecy of the Second Coming. In fact, said scholars see this as nothing other than Luke borrowing from Josephus. That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be, since both Josephus and Tacitus Atheism and a Meaningful Life. His party meets Vespasian at Gadara, where the rebels are driven into the River Jordan. The author of this ground-breaking book believes he was. The Heathen's Guide to World Religions:
Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman said "I know sophomores in college who could rip this From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth. That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be, since both Josephus and Tacitus Caesar's Messiah 1st ed.