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Which means the moon is there even when you don't look at it. Though it is just a theory I had never considered that space-time could be incorporated into decoherence theory. And I am unsure if space time exists - or is merely a convenient mathematical tool for calculations. The mathematics is not at issue - it is how we interpret it. Consider an object travelling near the speed of light - and we can calculate the time dilation.

But the time dilation is a factor "no matter the speed. Thus I rather doubt that there is any space time. Instead we have "time dilation" as a function of matter not energy and it is not constant. We know of two things effect it - gravity and velocity. The space time continuum is to map placement of objects in space, assign a gravity figure to them - and calculate the time dilation effect. Then we use this "cumulative map" to do calculations of orbits. If you want to calculate an orbit use "space time mathematics.

I do not think we can distort space time and I rather doubt there is such a thing myself. Everyone has one - and occasionally, we blow it.

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I am not entitled to have an opinion on the subject total ignorance but if the maths provides a useful model for interpreting observations then it probably isn't that critical whether space time is real or not. Use the model until it doesn't work then tweak the model. If you accept an assumption - that is a bias. If space-time exists, then we are "a product of the universe" and can go no further. But if it does not exist? Then we find that relativity is a function of matter.

That it does not effect energy - which I will define as "the speed of light" And the things beyond the speed of light? I have just created a "proto model of the universe" - the thought starter to creating a brand new model. We can think of these three separate things, define them in any number of ways - make rules on how they work And thus create an entirely NEW model of the universe, one which is greater than relativity which only applies to matter and not based on QM.

Mind you - I am not the person able to create said theory. But if there is a theoretician out there - and one who is interested in Physics - they can do it. All I have done is changed ONE assumption about the universe - and immediately, the way we see the universe is potentially different You think as do most people in terms of "what we can do with it. The theoretician has other goals - the way we think about things. The world is not set up for theoreticians. We are a weird bunch.

But when we come along and get it right - the entire way we see the universe is changed. This is far more important than people realize. But then, there are not many theoreticians out there. Dr Karl once pointed out to me on the ABC Science site that theoreticians are a lucky bunch as they can have a new theory before breakfast every day. Providing evidence for a theory is the hard part. MarkD, You say you are unsure if space-time exists.

There is a nice little example. If you were in space space-time and there were no planets, stars, spaceships, atoms or anything whatsoever in the space-time universe and you were spinning you would still feel the sensation of spinning the forces as you would be spinning in relation to something else As for what the quantum foam that appears to be the fabric of space-time is in its entirety is another topic for discussion.

If entertaining curiosity can be represented by a cat in a hat, I suppose anything's feasible. I look forward to hearing how blood lust and thrill-seeking can be explained using just a beagle wearing goggles and scarf and sitting on top of a kennel. I heard tell of some people that caught a feral cat once. They couldn't let it go for fear it would attack them, so they put it in an abandoned suitcase. It was irresponsible of them to leave the suitcase near a major road.

And to not warn curious motorists of the contents of their free suitcase. So I agree with your conclusion. As no doubt would the people rapidly exiting their car on that dusty road. I wonder if it's something similar to the way gravity attracts massive objects in the quickest way to make a connection?

More importantly in the current global economic climate, what are the chances of eating a chlorophyll pill that dissolves slowly into the bloodstream so that we can get our ccalories directly from the Sun, rather than having to bother chopping up, cooking and eating all the greenery? I used to think in the past that vegetarians discriminated against plants by selectively eating them because plants are alive too, so if we could just eat chlorophyll and not have to kill the local flora to energise ourselves, it would be less sinful allround.

Knowing the tricks God likes to play on us, it's probably poisonous if eaten to excess, but I can eat grass and it doesn't kill me, so maybe there's a way in theory, if not practice? The trouble is Ben, that we would all be Green. Whilst some wouldn't mind, some might object on principle. No, it isn't related to gravity in any direct sense so far as we know. No, we're not going to be able to maintain brain activity relying on sunlight.

It's not metabolically practical. There are rumors that for the first time, gravity waves have been observed in an experiment with a high enough level of significance as to classed as a discovery. What's more if the rumors are true they have been observed to be propogating at the speed of light which The idea that gravity or changes there in is instantaneously transmitted across space is a hangover from Newtonian physics, the equations of which gravitation , do not take time into account. That's where Einstein and gravity waves come in.

You would have to become the local flora for that to work, develop leaves instead of hair or perhaps very green skin. Fungi survive without chlorophyll, getting by on carbohydrates only, but usually have to wait till other stuff dies before they've got any food. Birds eating insects are sinning? Predator nematodes are sinful? I guess I best stock up on the old glucose tablets and stick to the 'human' script then, but thanks for helping with the technicalities.

It was a bit of a far out thought, that one. As far as I can understand on the sins, we get judged on a more stringent scale than other species because, 1 we are intelligent enough to have consciousness and awareness of our behaviours and the effects on others, 2 we have the technology, and 3 we are the top of the food chain in general, and with that power comes a responsibility to always act in the best interests of the entire living planet. I better leave it there, and let the scientists handle this one. Nothing is "sinful" Lot's of things make living things lives very horrible. Humans have the greatest capacity to unnecessarily make other living things lives horrible.

We need to get a life. You could get chlorophyll soap, chlorophyll toothpaste it was actually green coloured and mint flavoured chlorophyll shaving cream with NEW! You might as well eat coal to keep warm in winter. I should have thought back to high school and realised the ignorance of my suggestion off the top of head. Thank you for helping me to fathom the flaws in my logic. I guess these sorts of days happen to all of us when we try to multitask too much without enough lunch.

There've been several generations of gullible since then, and chlorophyll is still being marketed as a useful dietary supplement. Which, I suppose, shows that the free-market types in government establish or tolerate bodies like the ACCC, but do their very best to largely successfully frustrate their notional purpose.

A nice opinion piece despite having a rather misleading ending. Quantum mechanics isn't the 'vital spark' of life, it is just a description of processes which are applicable to all of the universe s. Be it a living entity, a rock, a steam train, a star, black hole or singularity. The reality is the wave-particle duality of photons as used in the Photosynthesis example is just as applicable to every particle in the universe.

Each part of us is as much a wave function as a photon in the example used.

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Just as our election cloud probability density clearly demonstrates that parts of us exist at times well beyond the bounds of where we would assume ourselves to be at any point in time, ie. Similarly quantum entanglement isn't something specific to life. Quantum entanglement is a demonstration of the multidimensional nature of the universe in that the entanglement exists in a dimension outside of 3 dimensional space and the fourth dimension time The reason the instantaneous connection within entangled particles exists is because 'time' is a function of the fourth dimension time which appears to be inseparable from the 3 special dimensions based on the theories relating to space-time relativity whereas the entanglement occurs in one or more dimensions outside of 'space-time' thus it is not subject to the physical laws relating to time relativity within 'space-time' similarly it is unlikely to relate to the 5th dimension - being the direction in which mass causes a warp in 'space-time'.

It is all very interesting, but it would be misleading to call quantum mechanics the 'vital spark of life' as it is applicable to non living matter in the universe as well as the components of living entities. Which is perhaps a let down for some particularly those seeking eternal life in a magical cloud land , but interesting none the less for others.

Maybe there is a life source in other things that don't breathe oxygen, there are certainly enough examples in nature on earth to prove that. Maybe this is the "academic world" problem, they are to busy tell us what they know, instead of finding understanding something that they don't know. I enjoyed the article, I think your comments are bit misleading Joe, very academic I would suggest. Did you know that you can pick up a plastic thing and talk to someone in another country, instantly? My grandfather thought that was a magic trick.. With respect Agaras, you either did not read or did not understand JoeBloggs comment.

He certainly didn't say anything about "breathing oxygen", so you're rebutting a claim he never made and would never make. Scientists are actually often too busy finding out what they don't know, rather than telling us what they do - the exact opposite of what you claim. That is why is it is a treat to have a scientist like Professor McFadden communicating directly to the public on such an interesting topic. You assert that JoeBloggs comments are misleading - but in what way? You really need to justify such a claim. As someone with a basic understanding of quantum mechanics, I can assure you that his comments accurately reflect the current mainstream scientific view - and are therefore in no way can honestly be labelled as "misleading".

Again, your last sentence implies that JoeBloggs doesn't accept Quantum Mechanics - which is obviously wrong as he explains what Quantum Mechanics is. Are you sure you even read his comment, because if you did, you didn't understand it. Theo, With respect really? If you want to insult someone, do it.. Firstly, Joe has commented here quite a bit, and I enjoy reading his thoughts.

I have seen you comments and I am not sure. What is it you think I am saying to Joe, He doesn't understand Quantum mechanics? I am pretty sure I didn't say that. Your academic brain is having a day off. He called it a scientific name, I call it something that a non-academic might understand.

It appears you who didn't understand what I was saying. The story that I provided showed the background to our I see our knowledge about quantum now, we have a lot to learn. Because Theo, if we really did understand it. I mean really really understood it. We wouldn't be talking over the internet. I would have appeared before you to explain myself, at the same time as I spoke to Joe, whilst talking to the moderator to ensure what I said wasn't insulting, as you misguided attempt to show me up, were.

I find that it is those who don't really understand something that are able to go "Ho hum. It is only the scientific illiterate, religion enthusiasts who do those things. Though I must admit I do find the process of entropy within this particular universe incredibly beautiful. Joel complained "So it takes "indoctrination" to appreciate true beauty in something? I would expect someone who understands wave-particle duality would have the intellectual equipment to understand climatic processes. Tony, it is often the case that deep seated belief systems trump high quality intellectual equipment.

The human mind is perfectly capable of compartmentalization. G'day Tonyp, It is rather fascinating isn't it. We are just a bunch of fuzzy probabilities at the best of times, and at worst Though the implications for the other dimensions in the universe beyond 'space-time' are tremendous. Take the particles in the universe, shake well and wait a few billion years and life is inevitable. Intelligence, in fact, is inevitable.

There is no magic about it, no need to invoke cloudland to explain anything and everything, at least in principle. There is no cloudland but there is a fifth dimension and a sixth and as many as we need to explain away cloudland. But instruments don't detect higher dimensions, we infer them. The fact than we can do science is,as Mr Spock would say, "Fascinating" but it's not magic.

But if we infer one or two more dimensions to postulate cloudland then that would be magical and unacceptable. Spooky action at a distance, yes. Since the Earth occupise no special place in the universe, that is to say that our region of space is a typical neighbourhood and since dark matter is by far the prediminant form of matter in the universe, but there is none near us in fact we don't evey know what it is , don't make the mistake of thinking that is magic.

That is not magic of the gaps. It's not god of the gaps. It's rational thinking of the gaps. Likewise, dark energy is not magic. The universe is expanding at ever increasing acceleration because that is what universes do.

Dark energy is a kind of antigravity. Antygravity is a kind of antimagic. Lastly, how big a multiverse can you have without finding yourself in cloudland? No it certainly doesnt exist. Joh Bjelke Peterson bashed it down in cloud of dust in the 70s. Cloud, dust, universe, Get it? Sorry, but I thought a bit of levity may go well at this point.

My head is hurting trying to absorb all this, I am still having trouble with Quantum Theory. Why, under the circumstances you outline, is intelligence inevitable? Because it happened that way? You didn't explain it. This is all very well, but surely you would prefer the scribblings of a scribbler who learned of other scribblings a few hundred years earlier about long held beliefs by untold ancestors who'd been told yarns by various relatives as they lived and died in a very harsh environment.

Yes, those beliefs may rarely have come to fruition, but, by god, we're still here, aren't we: It MUST be true. Planck's constant the basis of all things quantum and the speed of light in vacuum are both indeed constant. Divide Planck's constant by the speed of light and the result must also be constant. Simple dimensional analysis shows that this result has only 2 dimensions, mass and space.

That is, the product of mass and displacement is a fundamental constant just like the speed of light. Moi, For those interested Just do the standard double slit experiment and you too can see wave-particle duality. It is something you can do at home with some very simple equipment. It is a great little 'experiment' to show kids how really interesting the universe and science is. All you really need is a fish tank, dry ice and a few other things.

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Joe, you disappoint me. Besides me being into theoretical, not applied, physics I thought you might be more interested in what I actually wrote. For example, because mass and displacement are constant, in the time it takes a photon to orbit Bohr's hydrogen an electron travels n Compton wavelengths where n is the principal quantum number.

Now consider the geometry. Well, with mere leaves and birds doing such improbable things, and Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Entanglement being proven phenomenona, I say Humans may well be capable of premonition and other psychic and metaphysical exploits. Science still doesn't take crystal balls and guys in pointy hats very seriously. When science can find all the lost dark matter in the universe, I might take it far more seriously regarding unknown phenomenona and events. QM is not unknown. Noone is forcing you to take science seriously. You're free to put down everything science has done, and leave it alone.

That would mean you'd b naked, walking barefoot into deepest tasmania with out a single thing to your name - much less a map Dark Matter isn't lost. We know exactly where it is thanks to the effect called gravitational lensing. You see Dark Matter has mass, when warps space time, which enables gravitational lensing to occur, which then allows measurement and calculation of the amount of mass that the Dark Matter has. Well, the Science Media could do a better job on the dark stuff.

I thought Dark Matter and Dark Energy were basically the same thing. Trust the Science Media to keep me in the dark! Thanks for pointing things out. Joe, I've been watching the development of physics for a while, and the unease that has developed amongst some of its scientists and supporters. Having to add new hypothetical entities over time to bolster a theory so that it can meet observations is a danger sign for any theory.

Dark matter and dark energy are still at this stage such hypothetical entities. You say "Having to add new hypothetical entities over time to bolster a theory so that it can meet observations is a danger sign" - not really, that is in effect science in a nutshell. Always evolving as new understanding comes to light.

For example Newtonian theories in relation to gravity are known to be heavily flawed in some areas Similarly in time we may or may not discover the 'Graviton' in the same way we eventually discovered the 'Higgs Boson' despite it taking some time and some pretty fancy engineering to achieve it. No hypotheticals required there. Dark Energy is a bit trickier and at this stage is simply a blanket statement for the energy that causes the inflation of the universe to continue to accelerate over time.

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Consider it like Newtons apple if it pleases you. Sorry Joe, it is not science in a nutshell at all. Good theories stand a chance of explaining new phenomena when they are observed. Theories which cannot explain new or different phenomena without resorting to more hypothetical elaborations, built on previously hypothesized elaborations are on shaky ground indeed.

It might be the way of our modern physics but it is not historically the way of adequate scientific theories. Have a look at the history of science when you get a moment. It might surprise you. At the moment, there seem to be more unexplained phenomena than there are explanations of them. And more coming in everyday. I know you are a fan but there are others who are beginning to have doubts about the foundations of our current dominant theory. That, DW, may only be because scientific studies have explained so many phenomena already that you and I just take them for granite.

Electricity, aurora borealis, latent heat of evaporation, of boiling, Hooke's Law, Young's modulus, the "germ theory" of disease replacing "miasma" the chemistry of combustion - oxidation replacing "caloric" and "phlogiston". Science has never been able to explain how water in solid form is less dense than in liquid form. They just know it is. This means ice on top of a lake does not sink to the bottom and thus the lake remains liquid at well below freezing temperatures.

So life can continue to exist in a lake even in the coldest weather. Pretty lucky that water happens to be the only known substance that is less dense as a solid than a liquid. Or maybe someone designed it that way? DW, Good theories start out as hypotheses. And yes, it's how science has always been.

I dont agree there are more unexplained phenomena "of late", and even if there were, so what? I'm not sure what it is you object to here - do you object to someone formulating an hypothesis, then testing it? Niowarra and bonzono, I have an acquaintance with science, the practicing of it as well as its history. Lets us compare this current theory with that of the causes of climate change. In the last 50 years or so have we seen scientists say 'Oops, greenhouse gases don't explain that, we will have to add another component?

No not at all. And yet as every new observation comes in and doesn't fit even with the all the add ons, you think just adding another component to the now large superstructure largely unobserved required of the original theory is fine. I don't and I am not alone because constantly having to add on is the sign of a sick theory.

Yes, DW, and so? Every theory is modified as new paths of research are investigated, new or more refined measurements are made. The original "two-fluid theory" of electricity was modified through reason and experiment firstly to become the "One Fluid" theory and subsequently by the addition of many more aspects to this phenomenon. Neither Galvani nor Volta had a complete understanding of current, voltage, resistance and the modern study of climate as distinct from weather is less than complete.

Historical measurements aren't two centuries old yet. That's no reason to dismiss the modern understanding of the causes of observed and observable climate change, unless of course, you have a documented, integrated and superseding theory to put forward? Miowarra, I think you misread my comment. I am commending the theory of what causes the current rapid climate change. It has stood up to changing systemic conditions and if anything, has become stronger over time. Which is a lot more that we can say about our poor old theory about the universe.

Desert Woman, I see your problem. It is your concept of science and scientific theories that are the issue. As despite all the tweaks, changes to models and theories that relate to climate change the fundamental theories relating to thermodynamics and how greenhouse gases function to trap heat within a planetary system remains unaltered. That is science in a nutshell, be it theories relating to gravity It isn't a sign of a sick theory, in fact quite the opposite. It is a sign of a strong theory that is only getting stronger and more accurate as more and more information and evidence is collected enabling a more and more accurate body of knowledge to exist about the subject matter.

After all "apples still fall down" and "greenhouse gases still trap heat". Joe, first you misunderstand the role and purpose of models but I'll leave that for a moment. Yes, the theory of GHGs remains unsullied, no additions or modifications required. What a difference to theories based on our mis understanding of the role of gravity. It is because gravity, as currently conceived, could not explain new observations that the new hypothesized additions of firstly dark matter because gravity could not explain why so much of the universe appeared to be missing , and then dark energy had to be invented.

In other words, there is something wrong with our conception of gravity and its power. Until this is acknowledged and a better candidate than gravity is put forward think of electromagnetism , or you put away the reductionism and consider there may be more than one basis for the universe, the theory will continue to totter along on ever greater leaps of imagination, not observation.

Desert Woman, I see that you have a poor understanding of what scientific theories are. It is ok for new phenomena to be expressed by a new theory or a tweak to a pre-existing theory. Quantum physics doesn't mean "Anything goes". It's not magic, it's entirely predictive.

Putting this into a useable popular culture framework to help anyone a bit pressed for time, it appears Quantum of Solace is a better, more realistic Bond movie than Casino Royale. It's no doubt very galling for Shrodinger's cat to see other people getting the credit for an idea it probably developed itself whilst it was sitting in the box waiting to get let out.

You know I can't answer that, although I should mention that's a rather juicy browser history you've got there. But then again, if quantum physics just turns out to describe nothing more then a zeroth dimension, then life's spark disappears once more and we're back to the itty bitty steam trains Gr8Ape, I suspect you have confused wave-particle duality with election cloud probability density and both of those with the multidimensional nature ie.

Please replace " the 3 special dimensions " with " the 3 spatial dimensions " Not too fussed about grammer myself. I don't know if you've noticed but i tend to use some sort of informal probability function in the placement of, commas and: It's important for someone or other to keep an eye on these things, but that's not my job. But back to the nature of my confusion I like to play. But it keeps the interest up. Gr8Ape, Indeed the quantum foam of the universe is very 'granular' with each grain quanta being around 10 to the minus 35 meters long in spatial dimensions - ie.

Planck length and 10 to the minus 43 seconds in time ie. It is here at the Quantum Foam that ordinary ideas of length disappear and ordinary ideas of time evaporate. Consider how that while quanta are the grains that make up 4D space-time it is the 'Spin Foam', and the 'Spin Nets' Spin nets are a infinitely thin cross sectional time slice of the Spin Foam , that resides on a more fundamental level of the universe, one that is a deeper structure that underlies and gives rise to space-time and therefore quanta, and even super-strings vibrating in 10 or more dimensions that result from Calabi-Yau manifolds - or 'n'folds to be exact.

It sure is interesting! I like to learn more about the role played by black holes in all of this and if 'white holes' also have a role. Thank you for this article! It explains to me how I can have instant telepathy with someone in the northern hemisphere! I wonder why this only seems to happen with some people and not everyone.

Some must have more of the necessary chemicals than others, or maybe they are just more attuned to the 'vibrations' they are picking up I discussed that with others too, and the fact that these types of phenomena are much more widespread, practised and understood in indigenous not just Australian communities than in more 'civilised' ones. One theory is that we are all born with these same attributes, but one society sees them as part of their life and culture, while the other frowns upon them.

Well obviously you would need to limit over stimulation and mindless distractions. Spending 14 hours a day playing computer games or watching TV would make it fairly unlikely for someone to experience subtle phenomena. It might be a cliche, but you need to be able to hear yourself think. The Metaphysical world is very real, and in fact I should write a book about it. This is why monks retreat to quiet places with few distractions, so they can eliminate unwanted distractions. They put deep space telescopes in remote places with as few 'distractions' as possible to distort the 'vibrations' technical term coming from outer space.

There are undoubtedly far too many distractions in the modern world for people to be able to detect subtle aspects of their being. This is a shame. I love the image of flocks of birds, flying high about the Earth, away from all the noise and mess, just 'knowing' where they have to go without any equipment but themselves. Beautiful and magical - yet perfectly real.

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There's something called the 'no-communication theorem' that makes it clear that a mathematical consequence of quantum mechanics as it's understood make sending information using entangled particles impossible without a secondary classical communications channel. Have you considered the possibility that you're just suffering from confirmation bias - counting the times when it seems like you've communicated with this person in the northern hemisphere, and discounting the many more times when you don't appear to have communicated with them?

After seeing the title of this opinion piece, I was ready to rebut some woo from a Deepak Chopra disciple. Instead I found a very interesting and informative article. I think that for now I'll reserve judgement on the claim that birds make use of quantum entanglement to help them navigate until I read some more.

I just find it difficult to understand how any organism could evolve to take advantage of quantum entanglement. Well if quantum process are integral to life as we know it then it suggests that this has been around from the beginning. The role of evolution has only to do with how they are exploited, and since the translation of quantum effects into the macro world is a little bit problematic, examples of such things would be rare and highly specialised at the macro level.

I had a similar opinion going. I do think it's a bit meh. Chemistry depends on quantum effects; news at Studying biochem in the s, tunnelling and entanglement were suspected in many processes such as Kerb's Cycle. How brilliant that we can now measure this. More pieces like this one please! I agree, more pieces like this please. I'm not brainy enough to understand it all, but that doesn't mean it's not fascinating and interesting. Apart from everything else it opens the mind a bit to how unimportant and insignificant a lot of the stuff we worry about really is.

What about transmigration reincarnation of the soul? I don't think science could explain that, yet many people believe in it and have experience of it. Many people believe many things. Many of these things are not real. So no I believe science can explain any of these things given proper information and decent research.

Mostly they are easily explained as something other than reincarnation. Nobody to my knowlegde has any evidence of reincarnation that would stand up in a court of law even, let alone to scientific investigation. Of course such an experience would not stand up in a court of law - it is a subtle internal experience and can never, I suppose, be proven to another person. I imagine that if a person had very clear memories of a past life, they would know about certain things that happened in the past and if some kind of historical record could uncover this detail, which had not previously been common knowledge, then maybe it could be claimed to be some kind of evidence.

Anyway, the experience and knowledge is really for the recipient and if other people don't believe it, well that is not the issue. At least reincarnation is more knowable than the 'Christian' afterlife, which no-one experiences until the end of their presumed one life. If there have been lives before, they are knowable, because they have happened in the past, and are not in the future.

I have heard that upon death, the body loses a small amount of weight. Perhaps some kind of life imprint flies away, and enters a new body. What a relief to come out of a tired old body and enter a brand new one. On the other hand, there is a whole new life, of trials and tribulations to have to go through AGAIN. This is OK if you are in a pleasant situation, but could be sheer hell if you are in one of the bad places on the planet.

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