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I would try to learn would be Chinese or Japanese. Life always has a way to surprise us! Emme on 08 February I'm about the same time as you, even though I tried Russian several years ago. I'm sure the next days will bring a lot more of hope and fun! Expugnator on 08 February Hey Emme, how's everything going?
I hope you're still making progress in Russian? It would be great to read from you again soon! Josquin on 10 March Thanks Josquin for dropping by. Everything was going fine especially with Russian and the 6wc when we had a major health crisis in the family. Priorities are very different now: I hope to be back soon and to read about all your amazing progress in the meantime. Wishing you all the best! Emme Emme on 10 March Hope the crisis become soon a thing of the past, Emme!
All the best to your family. I'd be happy to see you around with Russian again! Expugnator on 10 March Oh dear, there really seems to be some sort of curse on Team MIR! Of course, family is more important than everything else. I hope everything turns out well and you can get back to your languages soon! Thanks for the moral support, Expugnator and Josquin! Emme on 24 March Life sometimes throws you curv balls, and our team members seem to have received their fair share this year, but I know that we will overcome that.
I work with a French organisation where three out of four of the last heads have been chauvinist, undemocratic and a bully. Since I call them on it, I get my fair share of blows. My boss described me as someone who could get knocked out, but would take a moment to breathe, struggle up on my feet again, spit out blood and teeth and go charging right into the fight again. I am counting on all of us to do that once we get our bearings. We just need to catch our breath first. Whereas January went more or less as expected, the February 6wc was brutally interrupted when life got suddenly serious and scary.
March was mainly about trying to find my feet again in the real world, rather than about languages, even though in the last fortnight or so I tried to do a little Russian and a little Swedish. My goal for April is to implement the Pomodoro Technique again so that I finally get something tangible done. I know those activities are important, but I truly believe they must be complemented by something more demanding at least a few times a week.
In particular, I want to finally finish my current textbook for Swedish. This would be a first for me, as I tend to start many books but I never stick with one to the end. Instead, I intend to use other materials that I had the chance to check out during the 6wc. I want to put particular emphasis on phonetics and pronunciation this time, as those aspects are often dealt with at the beginning of a course, but personally I find that those explanations are way over my head until I have had the opportunity to familiarize myself with the sounds of the language by listening to a reasonable amount of audio.
While taking stock of the first trimester of the year, I realized that the half-way point in the month Super Challenge went by unmarked and unnoticed in the tumult that was my life in late February. Meanwhile, I shall update with the few items that I can recall off the top of my head: They looked so impressive that I could not believe they were real; so I double checked them and they were in fact wrong. I hope they are ok, now. Emme on 02 April I hope everything is back on track now, Emme!
Good luck with Russian, I hope you like the new resources you choose. It's pretty normal not to finish a Russian textbook. There are so many out there, anyway, that it's no big deal, as long as you find something that fits your level. I do think you'll like Nina Potapova's book, even though it has no audio. Maybe you could just check it once in a while; it has several short lessons like Assimil, with the difference that it focus more on grammar and not on dialogues. Expugnator on 02 April Thanks Expugnator, yes, things have much improved and they are almost back to normal, or at least to our new normal.
Now the real danger is that I start juggling too many activities and textbooks at once so that I lose focus. Good job there, Emme, and impressive progress! You put in more effort in Russian than I did since starting to study it last year, so be proud of yourself, you're doing great.
And it's normal to burn out and change resources, so keep the momentum, what matters is that you are learning something! Love following your log, you really inspire me: Woodsei on 04 April Thanks Woodsei for your kind words. I had tried before to work with one of the public decks for Russian, but as I suspected all along but hoped against hope it were not true I really need to personally choose the words I intend to learn and when I want to learn them.
In this way, building my own deck becomes yet another review, which helps memorization. I generally can cram a lot more in an hour of Swedish compared to Russian, and in the end the amount of study done when calculated in textbook pages covered in these two languages in the past 14 days probably evens out.
Wanderlust There have been a couple of non-focus languages demanding my attention this past fortnight. One is French, which is constantly on my backburner but now and again gets a revision. I had the same experience, Russian was more of a slog when working on it than Swedish was. But I guess I have the advantage of being a Dutch speaker I have this experience now with Russian and Norwegian: I decided to boost up my Russian by reading a textbook on Georgian written in Russian.
It demands a lot of typing and translating, but I do hope it gets better because the grammar-related vocabulary tends t repeat itself. I think you're learning Swedish and German more or less like I'm learning French now. I'm only having fun with my French watching TV, reading a book , even though sometimes I have to look up to many words.
I agree with you that you can't count that time you put into adding words to Anki as study time.
I personally prefer shared Anki decks, I don't think the time I'd spend on adding my own words and sentences would pay out, expect in the case of Georgian and Papiamento, words with limited resources. In the case of more common languages, though, I simply stick to the shared deck I like the most.
The synergy of my 3 shared Anki decks has done great to my Norwegian. Expugnator on 15 April But you know how the saying goes: With your imported decks for Norwegian, for instance , how do you behave when you meet a totally new word? Emme on 17 April That's because you're not getting the whole story: P And to think I feel like I am going slow at this point in time To be honest, I spent too much time on this forum instead of with my books, and it shows. The only positive thing in this lackluster week is that I managed to increase the number of radio dramas and films for the mini-Super Challenge.
You're awesome, I wish I was as hard working and you but my attempts tend to fail. When I meet a new word in an important deck, it depends on what the word is. When it is something that looks useful, I find a few exemples just googling is often enough and learn it. If not, than I don't. Cavesa on 22 April In February I was really making good progress until something that had nothing to do with language learning got in the way. But the idea of a 6wc was actually proving successful, by making me work harder and in a more consistent way than usual.
It all comes down to whether I can organize a few things IRL that would influence the kind of materials I have at my disposal for the challenge. Emme on 26 April My first goal for has been achieved: I know it may not seem much of a goal, given that the book is at a rather basic level it was designed for Sfi kurs B i.
I generally stop at about page 50, when a new book takes my fancy.
Remember that my interest in all thing Swedish began in my teenage years, when there was no internet and finding a textbook in a library or in a bookshop was a matter of serendipity. When I decided to take part in this year's TAC, my main purpose was to stop going round in circles and finally make some progress.
It seems that going through different editions of the same manuals is an approach other people on the forum share: My deadline is the end of June, when my friend and I are catching up with each other again she lives in another town and we meet a few times a year. Minutes studied in the week of April and in It's important as a background and also as a motivating factor.
I may consider using Assimil almost as Linguaphone, as a pre-intermediate textbook before tackling native materials. Which means I should use Living Language for the languages that have it, as it has less lessons than Assimil. I wouldn't find it crazy at all, because I follow a similar approach specially for languages with less common vocabulary, like Russian. I'm about to finish my second Assimil and I still feel overwhelmed by the vocabulary.
I'm getting words I don't feel I need right now while I still haven't mastered the most important ones. In the case of German, I think I mastered many grammar rules and important words for conversation before I managed to learn these words that make you feel you are able to describe your world in that language.
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I think that's the case with any language for which you can't rely heavily on cognates. In Norwegian this plateau is being shorter, luckily, and in Papiamento I've already overcome this level. As for Russian, well, since my motivation is reading and I still can't read, I'll have to figure out what is best to do.
If I learn textbook language just like I did for German, I'll feel motivated because my knowledge will already be useful, and I'll feel like coming back for filling in the blanks. Expugnator on 06 May I admire your stamina and perseverance, though, that will allow you to reach the end of not one but two Assimil textbooks in just a little over half a year. Have you already had a look at the other available resources you might use in the future? Emme on 06 May Congratulations on finishing the textbook! Going through more courses to meet more grammar exercises is a good thing, I wish you a lot of success.
Cavesa on 06 May Just like the people who took the Assimil Experiment, I think Assimil is too breakneck for languages other than the commonly-learned Germanic and Romance ones. They pay attention on details like calling up previous words up to the first half of the book, but later then they assume the reader is already able to tackle litterature.
I don't think I had enough training on conversation before moving on to litterature in either of the Assimils. I think I'm going for Living Language! I like it, and the fact I own a physical copy of the Advanced one encourages me to try it. I don't want anything else on grammar, in fact I plan to skip any obvious grammar notes or the ones that wants me to learn by rote. There's also that book by Nina Potapova which seems to be useful. In fact, once I've been through the stage at which I've memorized the most essential words, I want to quickly go through beginner's textbooks in order to retain what I've learned.
At this stage, it will be better to use textbooks with fewer lessons than Assimil and Linguaphone, for instance. The trouble with libraries are the fees for late returns. And I cannot make notes in the coursebooks etc. So I like to buy things. Or download ;- Have you found any online bookshop with Swedish books which would ship them to the rest of Europe? Cavesa on 07 May Expugnator on 07 May For example "salta grodan" sends to other countries.
Mareike on 08 May Cavesa I see your problem. Luckily for me, in the libraries I use here in Italy they prefer to suspend you for an increasing period of time rather than fine you for late returns. Of course there are books I do prefer to own, but not for taking notes: What about the Spanish and Portuguese editions? Emme on 08 May The Portuguese one has pages and it has So, maybe the content within each lesson has been abridged, or maybe not, it's just the fonts that are smaller, who knows.
Have you managed to find online copies of the Italian and French editions on these forums? Yes, I make a huge difference between reading books and study tools that happen to be books. I tried to make notes into a short and very cheap Simenon novel, but it felt so wrong. And my university textbooks tend to be tortured with up to seven colours of highlighters. Thanks, Mareike, for the wonderful link. We don't have any such shop here. We have such for quite a lot of languages but not the Scandinavian ones, we have only libraries for those.
I know of one library which suspends instead of being greedy. I wish all adopted this approach. Cavesa on 09 May Congratulations, you seem to be making great progress. I have never heard of libraries suspending people in stead of fining them, but of course the best is to return them within the set time limit. I must admit I have payed my fair share of fines in my time. What level would you say you are at right now? Solfrid Cristin on 09 May The book doesn't seem to be online, though. Expugnator on 09 May The last week was mostly about Swedish: Minutes studied in the week of May and in When I get home at night, I only have the energy to watch TV or to read something easy.
Emme on 23 May The result is rather predictable: Luckily for me, the 6wc is at least helping me to make the best of my downtime and maintain a daily contact with Swedish.
Minutes studied in the weeks of May June 2 and in I wrote this post a week ago, but could not post it due to technical problems. I tried again almost every evening this past week, but I always got error messages. Has anyone else noticed that the forum is particularly slow in the evening CET on weekdays or is it just my internet connection? Anyway, here is the post.
It was my second attempt and my first completed 6wc. Surprisingly, I finished in 11th place in my target language Swedish and — unbelievably — 8th as far as the total score was concerned. These numbers are really flattering for me, but ranking aside, I must confess that overall I was less productive than I expected and hoped for. In late April I tried to prepare for the 6wc by getting as many tasks and obligations due in May out of the way, but there is only so much you can do in advance, and while the first couple of weeks were indeed the most productive, soon my daily chores and routines started bogging me down.
Someone was it you, Serpent? After all, the nature of the challenge invites you to log everything you do in your TLs, and so it offers you a data mine too valuable to ignore. Here are some reflections: Emme on 23 June Certainly, it did not help that we were in the middle of the first real heat wave of the season. In summer, when the temperatures rise, if I have a little time for myself I much rather plop down on a deck chair with a novel than do anything else. The forum is still unbearably slow for me: I wanted to post this a few days ago but gave up after a quarter of an hour getting errors when trying to load any page of the forum.
Swedish My goal for was to reach a solid B1 and this one is actually doable. German The aim of this year in German was to get back to a solid B2 after years of neglect. Kanewai has proposed a new experiment with TY or LL maybe to coincide with the August 6wc and I might actually use it for brushing up on my French or even to start Spanish.
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I have to think about it. Who knows what I might do in the coming 6 months? I need a holiday, and I just want to relax and spend a couple of carefree weeks with the important people in my life. Emme on 08 July Language learning is not everything in our lives after all. Have a nice trip! The holidays were really fantastic.
Emme on 30 July As I wrote at the beginning of the TAC, my two great passions are languages and literature, but somehow they tend to exclude one another. I find it hard to do both at the same time, and generally I go through cycles when my fervor for the first wanes while my passion for the other increases. I would have liked to use it as an excuse to ease myself back into studying mode. Right now it seems slightly pointless to start the challenge when my enthusiasm is at rock bottom. What do you think? Should I try anyway and hope to work my way out of this apathy or do you think it is counterproductive in these circumstances?
Equifluxo - Unipessoal Lda. Perhaps one day, I will have an opportunity to find out. I'm aware that I am at high risk of dropping out without finishing the experiment, but I think the drop out rate of the participants could be one of the interesting data we can derive from this experiment. Solfrid Cristin on 15 January Or you can try to get vitamine D in your pharmacy.
I think it's counteproductive to get rid of study all of a sudden. If you can't open a textbook anymore, then try at least to read something in your TLs. I don't think you'll have trouble reading some Swedish. Let go the mini-challenge or 6WC if it does boher you and prevents you from just reading what you like; still, try to insert some small chunks of language-learning-friendly texts on the go. As you speed up with your TLs, you'll feel like adding more of the stuff-you-'r-dying-to-read to your language learning pile.
Expugnator on 31 July Thanks for the advice, Expugnator. Emme on 01 August In the end I signed up for the 6wc. Moreover, this must be one of the last times I am allowed to choose Swedish as my target language: My aim for the next few months is making sure that in choosing Swedish again will be out of the question. The 6wc is also helping me get the book and film count for the German mini-SuperChallenge moving. Emme on 14 August Nice to know you're about to leave the lower-intermediate level for Swedish!
It's my level in Norwegian now. I hope you can find nice native media to keep working on it. Expugnator on 14 August Oh, working with native media is the least of my problems, especially now when a good internet connection lets you stream hours of radio, watch episodes upon episodes of TV shows and read tons of newspaper articles online. If you consider that I started learning Swedish through an overload of short-wave radio when listening to short-wave radio was really hard due to the combination of a weak signal and the poor quality of my radio plus a few treasured newspapers, now I really have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to native media.
My problem is the opposite: Emme on 15 August One of the usual complaints I often read on this forum about language podcasts is the unbearable amount of annoying banter they contain. In this case I think banter is kept to a minimum, even though of course at the end of every lesson they repeat their contact information and such like. If you study Russian and your German is half decent, you should check it out to see if it works for you. Emme on 25 August I think I am consolidating A1 and filling in some gaps for A2. Glad to see you're having a nice time with series for Swedish.
I am really appreciating the Norwegian series I'm watching. As of the 4th episode in the 2nd series, subtitles seem to fail to sync, and I think this will rather encourage me to let them go little by little: D Expugnator on 26 August A couple of days ago Cavesa in her http: Her enthusiasm made me wonder: Maybe because my passive skills are much higher probably in the B1-B2 region than my active ones and I can already do almost all that I want in the language watching TV, reading articles, tackling easier novels, etc.
Somehow their new http: Anyway, here we go. Starting with no previous knowledge of Swedish one should be able to reach the CEFR B2 level after taking 6 courses of about 60 lessons each in parenthesis I give the cumulative number of hours: This seems to confirm that Swedish is among the easiest languages a westerner can learn. A1 hrs A2 hrs B1 hrs B2 hrs C1 hrs C2 1,, hrs Now, if one speculates about taking the exam in June even though the examination dates are spread over the entire year according to http: If you take as a reasonable division between levels the one proposed by the Folkuniversitet, you have to move up one of the six levels indicated above every months if you start from A0 or one level every approximately 5 months if you start from A2.
Even if you take into account that you are supposed to study on your own when you attend a course personal study time increases as one reaches higher levels: So it seems that with an average of one to two hours a day depending on your beginning level one can probably reach the B2 mark by the summer of Emme on 30 August Great detective work, Emme.
Advanced textbooks are surprisingly hard to find and these bibliographies look promising. Sounds ambitious but doable, Emme. I wonder if there's such thing in Norwegian, even though I don't think I've reached a similar level in Norwegian as yours. Expugnator on 30 August As usual it was mainly by doing extensive activities such as listening or watching or reading something in the TLs.
I hope that now that the summer is almost over I will be able to ease into a routine where my languages can find their space. Minutes studied in August and in Emme on 03 September I can't believe and I tried on my own to find advanced textbooks. One problem is that many books aren't compared to the CERF scale. The are compared to levels of sfi or sas. You can see some examples here: And if you look in the catalogue: Mareike on 04 September If you have a look online, you can find out that sfi levels correspond more or less to these CEFR levels: Emme on 23 September In the past few weeks http: I wish them all good luck.
I have to admit that Japanese is always beckoning as enthralling as ever. For now I use a little dabbling during the 6wc to placate my Wanderlust but I know that sooner or later the time will come for me and Japanese and Spanish, and Mandarin, and … you get the drift. In the total score for all languages studied I did somewhat better: I ended 7th overall, even if I suspect this has more to do with the many absences in this round than with the kind of hours I managed to log. Again you're doing all my work for me!
What plans do you have for Swedish now thst your focus period is over? Glad to be helpful in any way, sans-serif! You have to decide on a plan of action quite quickly and then follow it through to the best of your abilities. Basically, now I want to get quite solid foundations in my active skills and so bring them closer to my passive ones. Oh, now you make me feel guilty about not posting my action plan for "phase 1" yet. And truth be told, I've had much less time, calm and privacy for my studies recently due to the moving.
But I am moving somehow forward, I'll post in my log asap: It's actually something that barely crossed my mind as a resource but it might be a good thing into the mp3 and those lost moments inside the day. I am sure your "last 6wc" will be a success. But I suspect you are already better than you believe. For those active skills, perhaps some immersion like huge amounts of tv watching could be a good thing.
It worked like a miracle for my speaking. And your combination with heavy review should make you invincible: Cavesa on 24 September Are those radio dramas fun? Moreover, the spirit here on the forum is generally very supportive and positive: And honestly, I never thought I would last so long! Emme on 25 September You seem to be with Swedish where I am with German: And that explains the kind of things I read and watch: Airport novels and TV-movies are not exactly what I would normally choose, but I get a certain amount of satisfaction in realizing that, as you say, finally reading feels like reading and TV watching feels like the lazy pastime TV usually is.
The past week was especially productive on the mini-SuperChallenge front, at least the non-reading part. You're doing really great! I wish I had that discipline. Differently from the placement test that I tried some time ago and I wrote about earlier in this http: But the better news is that my 5 errors are spread out on different topics, so there is no one area where my knowledge is particularly weak, but rather a few points that I need to fine-tune and make more automatic.
If learning a language has as much to do with learning how to learn as with mastering grammar, vocabulary, prosody etc. I might of course study more in terms of time spent on task, but today I want to concentrate on the positive aspects of my learning process -- and leave the complaining about how slow the process actually is for another time! You have every reason to be proud of your accomplishments in Swedish! Solfrid Cristin on 10 October Way to go, Emme!
Soon you'll be adding Swedish to your 'Speak list then! Expugnator on 11 October Thanks Cristina and Expugnator! Stop for a while. Emme on 24 October We miss you Emme!
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I've been ill for the last two weeks and I'm still not healthy. So, we could make a good base to a larger movement. And truth be told, now I hope you are a weather spoiled Italian complaining about an autumn like our summers. Italy is one of the countries where I'd love to live one day. And the climate is a very important factor. You have been doing great so far and you will surely continue as soon as you can. Isn't your Swedish too advanced? Just yesterday the news reported that here in Italy there are thousands of people dealing with parainfluenza right now.
As for the 6wc: As I wrote in a previous post I think this is my last chance to focus on Swedish during the 6wc. I know this is all very subjective, but I think http: There is a Swedish 6wc team! And there is one more Swedish learner. And three signed up for Norwegian, one Finnish. I only wish we could just use the Swedish textbooks as a scale to compare our skills to: By the way, where do you buy your Swedish resources? Cavesa on 29 October Iversen, how do you get seriously bright lamps now that the EU banned the normal lightbulbs?
Despite the "ecological" mercury inside alternatives being advertised to be just as bright or even brighter, I somehow find them lacking. In brightness but as well the shade of the light is different too white and artificial usually. It is very hard to find a good one, these days. If you have any tips, I would welcome them as I find this issue quite important. My aunt has got a different method to deal with this. Not too often as the goal is not getting tanned and it is still not too healthy for your skin.
But you get a good dose of the vitamin D which is one of the major factors behind these problems, ranging from worse moods and tiredness up to serious depressions and suicidal attempts. Or you can try to get vitamine D in your pharmacy. It will be less natural to your body but may still work more than well. Now that I think of it, I should visit a pharmacy too: I would have thought if you bought a specific light to combat SAD, they might be exempt on health grounds from the EU regulations but I'm not sure about that.
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